saidpls (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

"Such was our argument,with which we supported Abraham against his people.We exalt whomever we will to higher ranks.Your Lord is Most Wise, Omniscient. And we granted him Isaac and Jacob,and we guided both of them.Similarly,we guided Noah before that, and from his descendants David, Solomon,Job,Joseph,Moses,and Aaron.We thus reward the righteous.Also,Zachariah,John, Jesus,and Elias;all were righteous.And Ismail,Elisha,Jonah,and Lot;each of these we distinguished over all the people"Quran(6:83-86

anamojahid (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

"Such was our argument,with which we supported Abraham against his people.We exalt whomever we will to higher ranks.Your Lord is Most Wise, Omniscient. And we granted him Isaac and Jacob,and we guided both of them.Similarly,we guided Noah before that, and from his descendants David, Solomon,Job,Joseph,Moses,and Aaron.We thus reward the righteous.Also,Zachariah,John, Jesus,and Elias;all were righteous.And Ismail,Elisha,Jonah,and Lot;each of these we distinguished over all the people"Quran(6:83-86

AbdulkadirNur (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

Umm..Yokeup is not well versed in the Bible..nuff said

romanali1 (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

So xtians will say, God cannot lose His majesty or power, especially if invoked by human action. So if God cannot be subtracted from in any way, well what makes the alleged sacrifice of Jesus (pbuh) so special? A sacrifice by definition means to give up something considered expendable when compared to the better return that the giving up would yield. God cannot give up anything from Himself.Muslims see God as the source of everything, not as a storekeeper who can give things up.Peace.

romanali1 (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

Yep. So if subtraction from the infinite doesn't yield any result of significance, the whole point of subtraction becomes irrelevant. Similarly, the alleged death+resurrection of Jesus becomes pointless because God's status/nature cannot be affected by such operation (sacrifice). If God could be affected, He wasn't true infinite in all His qualities, and if He was, then there is no need for a staged resurrection event, because that's all it could be: a staged event with no actual impact to God.

snow3585 (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

fair point

derkzukenval (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

I read the Quran when I was 17 and I felt like I got high or something. I could really see the huge awe of the whole creation here. Then I see on Al Manar, they alwas show nature. And lately the interview with Ahmadinejad he talks about autumn and asks for a joke if they have season's in America. So, the must get the same thing. I'm may not be insane afterall?

derkzukenval (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

Creation, existance, and end is the basic logic. Like the peace sign is the 3 to make what is seen under Allah's(swt) will. Even the computer is 1, 0, and a clock. But people cannot make space or a soul. Space is just an idea. And they didn't write, because you see the Sun, stand on Earth, and Moon at night. You can't miss it. But useless to people who still thought the Earth is flat.

derkzukenval (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

And they gave names that you later become. Nun or Noah(pbuh)is outter Jihad. He made a boat to protect from the outside. And Jesus(pbuh) was a carpenter. He was 'on the cross' as in he lined up perfect to follow. The cross is the 4 seasons of the Earth's Jihad to hold the orbit and make life, the atmosphere is the outer.

derkzukenval (December 31, 1969 at 5:59 pm)

But they are going off that and it's not really the Bible. Passover was to celebrate existance, the cross, Jihad. That's where the New Testamate got the last super. I only know a few things, so... I know the symbols were the Sun, the Earth, and the Moon/end of the Sun which became the Star of David, the Cross, and the Crescent. Creation, Existance, the End and Judgement. From Hagar's people. Abrahim(pbuh) was Iraqi and 2nd wife Egyptian.