axemurderer8 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I hate how republicans are against everything that doesn't benefits them or relates directly to there own life style. I find it ironic that out of the 10 states that test lowest on an academic level... only 1 is a blue state. 1 is a swing, and the other 8 are red states. Makes you think doesn't it. I guess stupidity relates to simple minded political views. Ahem...sitdown248. LOL! It's funny when people try to debate based on there opinion.

axemurderer8 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

LOL! Religion is too ridiculous to debate. It's like debating that Disney's The Lion King is a true story. And why is it considered selfish you ask? Well because many people in this country are unlucky and are born into poverty so it's much tougher for them to find success and decent jobs compared to someone who has parents that have money to send them to college and ect. Your opinion is bias, bottom line. I've been very lucky to be raised in a wealthy family, however many people are not.

sitdown248 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

First off, I think your view of "simple minded conservative" is well...simple minded. The fact is, you cannot discount my argument, why is it considered selfish to have everyone earn their own way, and why is it unselfish to have someone else pay for you? Gay marriage is a completely different debate. You guessed correctly on the first half, I do believe it is wrong. However, I firmly disagree that Christianity is "fictitious" and would love to talk more about that, send me a message

axemurderer8 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

You just have a typical simple minded conservative and selfish view. I bet you also think gays shouldn't be able to marry. and that the very fictitious Christian religion should be involved even more in our government?

sitdown248 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

My comment is not selfish. Think about this for a second. WHAT IS MORE SELFISH? Punishing people for not working, or punishing people for working? Under your system, the guy who actually does have a good job and can obtain benefits gets punished, under mine, the guy who does not have a job with benefits gets punished. I think it is much more logical to have your system benefit the working

axemurderer8 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I think your comment is selfish, and ignorant. Not everyone is fortunate enough to obtain a job with decent benefits, nor make enough money to afford insurance period. I hope you loose your job and benefits and then get in a car accident so you can't afford to fix a broken neck, and then you can think different about healthcare would be.

sitdown248 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Health is not life. A right to life means that no one can take it away. Simply not providing healthcare does not take someone's life away. Tell me we have a right to property, does that mean we need a 100-acre farm as well? Life does not include healthcare simply because that is a means to extending it, not the right itself. If you want to enhance your rights, etc, that is your own responsiblity. Are we going to force everyone to own a gun as well?

superc (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"all citizens are guaranteed life" Uh... whoopsie! LOL He slipped a Freudian. Exactly. And life is certainly guaranteed by good health. Basic blood tests, CBCs, WBCs, liver panel, lipid profile, MRI, CT Scan, currently free in UK, Norway, and Sweden, Sweden having 3rd highest Life Expectancy in the world. Whooopie.

sitdown248 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Public schools went not implemented until much further along. How many times do I need to explain this, I don't support public schools, I believe they are wrong. However, they are already established. You are correct, those aren't in the Constitution, but all citizens are guaranteed life, liberty, and property. The government has an oblagation to protect these

superc (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Aw, calm down now, "Government is simply created to protect citizens from each other." Then why do we have public schools? Last time I checked, the constitution does not have "build fire stations and police department in every county" stipulated to it. LOL Don't worry, the Universal Health Care for California has already been passed and just awaiting for the Governator, who enjoyed socialized health care in Austria, to sign it. It won't affect you at all LOL. The beauty of Liberty!